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Interview with Ernie Colón in the Comic Book

Interview with Ernie Colón in the Comic Book

From Comic Journal # 285 (October 2007)

Self Portrait

Once we speak about success with critical cartoons, we often speak about some good evaluations and modest but sustained sales figures. September 11th Report: Graphic customization has reached an entire other degree of cultural significance. Time Magazine, NPR, The In the present day Show, The New York Occasions – Over the last 12-18 months, the graphic adaptation of Sid Jacobson and Ernie Colón to the era's most talked about authorities report has sparked glowing announcements on radio, television and crowd recycled newspapers and newspapers. The guide turns the US National Commission on Terrorist Assaults right into a reader-friendly cartoon, a huge last report. It has solely been a nationwide bestseller. Its success will profit and contribute to the wider ongoing re-evaluation of comics. The guide has also made its creators mini-celebrities.

Colón has paid his cartoon payment a number of occasions. Born in Puerto Rico in 1931, he has been knowledgeable cartoon artist since the 1950s. His first job was as an assistant to the legendary Ham Fisher, the troubled creator of Joe Palooka. He started working for Harvey Comics shortly after Fisher dedicated suicide in 1955. At the time, Colón was 24, and ultimately stayed in Harvey for 25 years, drawing iconic characters corresponding to Casper the Friendly Ghost, Richie Rich and Wendy the Good. little witch.

Colvey made shut pals in Harvey with writer and journalist Sid Jacobson, his upcoming associate in the 9/11 report. He also grew up with Warren Kremer, whom he calls "mentor" and "great comic book architect". Virtually all of Kremer's work was for Harvey, which can help account for his relative obscurity in the cartoon's historiography. Based on Wikipedia, when Warren Kremer once visited a Marvel bull puppy, Marie Severin stated, "They don't know it, but this is the best artist ever to walk through these doors."

from Greg's Zeitgeist. Terpenning, in Heavy Metallic Oh. IV # 6 (1980).

In the late 1960s, Colón needed to broaden its software. He proved more than able to switching gears to totally different publishers. As a freelancer, he drew tales for Creepy, Vampirella and Eerie since 1969 in the early 1970s. Warren's horror line represents a pointy contrast to the child-friendly optimism of Harvey titles, as well as the stories he directed for Heavy Metallic in the early 1980s. He drew Grim Ghost for Atlas / Seaboard in the mid-1970s, Air Boy Eclipse in the late 1980s, Photo voltaic: Man of the Atom and Magnus, in the early 1990s the Valiant Robot Fighter and Strip Seek for Eros in 2002. Many For years, he worked as a contract illustrator for numerous magazines and guide publishers.

One undertaking that has virtually disappeared into the reminiscence gap of time is the Black Cartoon, created by Colón with Sid Jacobson. Worth / Stern / Sloan revealed in 1970, this 80-page paperback e-book satirized superheroes and cartoon characters "in the hope that one day in a world of honesty, justice and understanding, a black man will take his rightful place in all sorts of literature." The only Amazon-listed copy obtainable for $ 93.03, free delivery.

Colón broke into the massive two in the late '70s, employed by Jim Shooter in 1978 to work on John Carter: Warlord of Mars. coloring books and a few graphic novels, one with a black widow, and as a Marvel freelancer he invented the concept of ​​managing injury with Dwayne McDuffie, and took part in a handful of youngsters's cartoons launched by Marvel in the mid-1990s to recruit younger readers to Marvel. ] Injury Management Vol 2 # three (January 1990) "If You Choose It Will Never Get Better!" By Dwayne McDuffie and Drawn by Colon, Colored by George Roussos and Written by Rick Parker.

Barely over in the early 1980s, he set aside a freelancer for DC as a full-time editor. Experience does not appear to be the spotlight of my profession. However it is sensible that he labored for major comedian e-book corporations, in addition to for Harvey, Warren and a number of other smaller corporations. Colón is a skilled, professional, hardworking and adaptable cartoonist whose work ranges from comedy, horror and fantasy to adventure and sober consciousness. He has continued his decades-long career in cartoons without drawing many superheroes. It couldn't have been straightforward.

Colón's interview with the Journal was fun. Most of the interview was carried out by telephone; we talked for nearly an hour about every of the three separate occasions in June 2007. Ernie is enjoyable, straightforward to succeed in, and pleasant, and she or he has a horny type of talking about details. He additionally responded very kindly to many lengthy emails. When the Journal pays me, I blow my abdomen to the Amethyst: The Gemworld Princess Assortment, which she referred to DC between 1983 and 1984. And no, I don't borrow them.


KENT WORCESTER: What did you do before you began in cartoons?

ERNIE COLN: I was a hero boy and labored in factories. . I labored at a glass etching website and a sheet metallic manufacturing unit. We made Kotex dispensers for subway bogs.

Was this in New York?

That manufacturing unit was in Long Island Metropolis. I had arrived in New York with my mother and sisters at the age of 10. The most important shock I experienced was once we first arrived in the city. It was on a ship slipping into New York harbor, and this winter gust of wind hit us exhausting. I had never experienced such a cold earlier than. In fact, we all spoke Spanish. I had some English, but I hadn't discovered it. I don't know if I've discovered it now! We might still study English at college in Puerto Rico, however I wasn't fluent. Once I arrived, they put me again in class. I'm pretty hooked up to it since, and I used to be again on monitor. It was painless. I hate to provide my expertise to anyone else, however I'm not convinced that utilizing bilingual schooling is sweet for youngsters.

What did your mother and father do for a dwelling?

My mom worked in a textile shop; for some time he labored at a manufacturing unit that made plastic handbag handles. My father was a detective, however he stayed in Puerto Rico. They have been divorced. Later in my life, my mom turned a bank developer, which is a much nicer life. And my stepfather labored at the publish office. My stepfather was a reasonably conservative man, and my mom was fairly liberal. I was damn Pink once I was a kid, and doubtless still.

From Colón's graphic novel Medusa chain.

We started in the Bronx, and when my mom married my stepfather, we moved to Williamsburg, Brooklyn. I was too mild in the Southern Bronx and too darkish in Brooklyn. In high school, I attended an artwork and design faculty, which was then referred to as the Industrial Artwork Faculty.

I knew what I needed to do once I was about 6 years previous who was drawing cartoons. I used to be absolutely in love with Sunday's enjoyable, and I needed to draw them. We read La Prensa and El Imparcial in Puerto Rico, they usually both republished American cartoons. In New York we used to get each the New York Every day News and the Mirror on Sundays. My stepfather also reads Occasions, Herald Tribune and World-Telegram and Sun. As a youngster, I read the PM PM, as did the journalist I.F. Stone's Publication, I.F. Stone's Weekly.

Have you ever ever considered shifting again to Puerto Rico?

Over the years I returned to Puerto Rico for about 3 times. I'm so rinnastunut that the experience was not so vital for me. I have about eight sisters; they are scattered in all places. One is in Utah, and a few my sisters nonetheless stay in the Caribbean.

Have been there films that liked storytelling?

I was an enormous film fan. I'm still. My grandfather owned three film theaters in Puerto Rico. So I went to the films each day after faculty, and of course I went without spending a dime. Once I moved to the United States, I used to be capable of go to the films twice every week. I am also a reader of the e-book. I'm omnivorous. I learn the whole lot – biography, fiction, mysteries, history – and films, it's the similar from comedy to drama science fiction. The final film I loved was Pan's Labyrinth – it's a fantastic film that I might gladly advocate.

Though I all the time enjoyed studying books, I used to be too great a sensible man in high school go to school. I really didn't like faculty and I didn't need to spend any extra time in the classroom. Unfortunately, I later had my choice. At this point, I have one thing itseopillista, however I nonetheless really feel that schooling has openings.

What kind of cartoons did you propose on creating once you started?

The adventure monitor was huge once I was rising up – Terry and the Pirates, Dick Tracy, Steve Canyon and so forth. As I read the newspaper strips, I learn every little thing except Little Orpo Annie, which I really couldn't stand, but I notably like journey tales. So my thoughts was targeted on cartoon journey tales. Over the years I attempted out a bunch of cartoons, however the older I obtained, the extra style journey strips came. My timing, as well as my cartoon era, was unlucky. The journey ribbon was fading, whereas the day's ribbons have been on the rise. So I decided to attempt cartoons.

Earlier than I obtained to Harvey Comics, a pal of mine contacted me with Ham Fisher, who in fact was the creator of the comic e-book Joe Palaooka. I ink behind him for a few month – until he committed suicide. This was my first real comedian e-book job. He had a horrible dispute with Al Capp and he drinks lots. But Mr. Fisher was very variety to me; he was very friendly and inspiring. He was assisted by Moe Leff. Oddly enough, his brother Sam Leff often used a Joe Palooka rig referred to as Curly KO.


How did you calculate your job at Harvey Comics?

I was in search of a renter. It soon turned clear that I couldn't send an e-mail. However they saw that I might draw, so I acquired a job in production and rehearsed the characters at house at night time. A yr later, I began to draw Richie Rich, Casper, et al.

Can you inform me more about the work you probably did for Harvey?

Harvey Comics have been extremely well-liked in the 1960s and early 1970s. Richie Wealthy bought hundreds of thousands. One time Richie Rich was labeled 33 titles – cartoons from Aunts and Units and so on. Thirty-three was in all probability too many titles. [Laughter.]

Throughout my reporter's Harvey, I was a good friend of mine, Sid Jacobson, who had a real sense of the characters. In fact, Harvey was run as a household enterprise. One brother died – Robert – and two different brothers, Leon and Alfred, care for the enterprise. But Sid Jacobson, Lenny Herman and Warren Kremer discovered the place humble and profitable. The extreme hatred of the brethren – opposite to their fraternal duality – led to bitter bitterness. They thought-about the legal professionals comfortable and well-nourished. They mainly filed for chapter. The Harvey line-up can be as viable – if no more so – than Archie if they have been released by subsequent house owners.

Leon and Alfred put their palms around their artists and say, "Don't fear, we'll care for you. We even arrange a pension for you. “In fact it by no means occurred, but the environment in the workplace was very friendly. Additionally, they appreciated my job. They by no means requested me to examine my web page when I have turned them in. Additionally they paid the artists as quickly as we went to work. No delays. I as soon as complained bitterly after it took them 30 minutes to chop me a wage.

I draw loads of pages for Harvey. I pulled them someplace round 15,000 pages. My favourite character was Richie Wealthy. He had the potential to be one other Tintin. He was an adventurous boy with a lot of money. Early stories highlighted how much money he had – how huge his savings bank was, pool, home and so on. I can respect directing the character in the direction of adventure stories. My angle was, "Let's see what money can do." He can use the money to travel – in any case, he has his own jet. I needed to make him a world traveler. We even despatched him to area – I keep in mind a couple of decks the place we played him an area go well with or a rocket ebook.

Did you ever really feel that your job at Richie Rich contradicted your political beliefs? In any case, he lives in a capitalist paradise.

The truth that the characters dictate their surroundings. Certainly this can produce the greatest sort of fiction. Attitudes are simply what it takes to deal with youngsters's fiction – ethical values, good rewards, and dangerous degrades. Of all the fantastic values ​​which are so typically taken under consideration in later life.

As for a character's nice wealth – yes, nicely, wealth is never in the possession of the privileged. It's not new. As it occurs, I still hold a storehouse of healthy leftist ideals – if meaning I'm constructive about the poor, the uncared for, and so forth. If I have been a stranger, I feel I might chew each dumb ass politician, regardless of their celebration or social gathering. persuasion.

Do you take pleasure in working with Casper?

Casper's drawback was that he was drawn so merely. When you have been just a little gone, you’d be actually gone. The good comic guide architect Warren Kremer had a real flair for making Casper. This meant that everybody who followed him suffered from comparability.

With the Harvey tales, you had to stay the “model”. In fact, it trusted the means of the service personnel. That's what we have been. We took care of the signs. We had to ensure the tales have been applicable for a specific character or character set. The identical goes for displaying a personality on any web page. Warren set the normal and the remainder of us tried to stay. I attempted to get as near Warren Kremer as potential.

There were a couple of characters that received a variety of the play that I discovered silly – Little Dot, for example. Then there have been characters who confirmed some potential. Scorching Stuff, Spooky the Tuff Little Ghost and Wendy the Good Little Witch have been all good characters. Richie Rich, in fact. Part of the secret to a very good character is the good aspect characters. Richie Wealthy had some nice aspect characters – English Butler Cadbury, chef Pierre, Dollarmation, Miss Irona.

What about the dangerous guys?

Richie Wealthy cartoon thugs have been often kidnappers or loopy researchers. I don't assume there was one evil genius who was driving issues behind the scenes. I created one character I favored referred to as Timmy Time. He and his broken robot – named Traveler – moved from one time zone to a different. Once more, my concept was to widen the horizon. It didn't go anyplace. There was just one factor. They didn't go additional with it. I feel Harvey's current house owners own the character.

In the meantime, Al had concepts like Billy Bellhops – in all probability a Harvey Comics lower. Sid Jacobson as soon as remarked, "Yeah, what every kid wants to be – a bell player!" We also had a personality named Fruitman. It had one thing to do with the fruit, however I couldn't offer you any particulars.

The rationale why individuals who personal Harvey characters don’t publish cartoons with these characters is unbiased of me. However it was fun work. I met Sid Jacobson, one among my oldest and greatest pals, at Harvey Comics. I also turned good associates with writer Lenny Herman. However Warren Kremer was my mentor. He was about 10 years older than me and he was an exquisite cartoonist. I name him a cartoon architect as a result of he used the area higher than anyone else. And he was an open guide. What he provided, he needed to convey. Warren designed just about all of the characters for Harvey – even Casper, whom the firm obtained from Paramount, had no legs until Kremer put them on. He also decided to go away all references to Casper's little son. From that moment on, he was merely a ghost.

However Warren solely labored in Harvey, and Harvey by no means paid tribute to his writers and artists. You weren’t approved to sign your work. That's an necessary purpose why Warren Kremer's identify just isn’t better recognized by comic ebook followers.

Ever tried to sneak your identify into a murals?

Each as soon as in some time Warren would put a theater theater or no matter in my details or put his identify, but no one would ever notice. I additionally cartoon political figures so typically. For example, I used Nixon as a villain in a Harvey cartoon. The Harvey stories have been, in fact, not political, however targeted on mild comedy and adventure. I all the time had an opinion, but I didn't try to categorical my thoughts in my work on comic books.

I left Harvey earlier than it closed in the early 1980s. I finally decided that I needed to move on after 25 years. Most of my time there, I made 15 bucks a web page – everyone was, together with Warren, who was the basis of the enterprise. At one level I asked for a increase nevertheless it was rejected. And so I tried my hand at something else.

Actually, for a yr, I worked at multimedia events – principally at company events with stay music, films, slides, and even speakers and dancers. I made good money doing storyboards and a few to supply. Then in the future there was no business. It just disappeared partly because of PowerPoint and partly because corporations have been in search of methods to scale back their prices.

Harvey Comics referred to as me roughly a yr after leaving and provided me 30 bucks, which was some huge cash back then. They have been determined as a result of the Richie Rich and Casper titles have been fairly profitable and needed to fill a number of pages. However I assumed it was unfair that I did twice as much as the man who had mentored me. I tried to inform Warren about this to ask for a greater wage, but Warren didn't need to know.


I just lately discovered that you simply have been collaborating on a guide with Sid Jacobson. in 1970, referred to as the Black Cartoon. The e-book has fun cartoons and cartoons from their white-centered perspective. Might you say something about how the challenge happened?

Pricey Sir – 1970. Properly, the writer took us to lunch in Algonquin and Sid and I assumed we have been set. The ebook bought properly, however not fantastically. We’ve also appeared on Joey Adams radio. He was a Broadway-type man – the sort of man you'd anticipate to have a half-chewed 25 middle stuck with his mouth talking about from another corner. He launched us to the Jekyll-and-Hyde phenomenon.

Early (1970) collaboration.

His greeting to us was, "What are you guys talking about?" Earlier than we answered, he glided by the prompt hearth, "Do you know better what the hell you're talking about" because I can't allow you to, without understanding? "He then disappeared to an unnamed door. A couple of minutes later, as a result of we had enough time to chew three or four kilos, we have been led like calves to a sure demise in a unclean paper-wrapped studio. He shuffled a couple of papers with out taking a look at us. We sat like unusually posing mannequins. In the present window of Stephen King.

And how did he get began? Hey people, it's Joey Adams that brings you the greatest in the leisure world. At this time, I have two nice younger males who’re going to speak about the great e-book they … " – a brilliant, optimistic commercial for a life freed from arthritis. As soon as it was over, he turned to us when the divorced man turned away from his ex-wife earlier than he observed him, whereas his secretary – the crypto-keeper on dangerous days – confirmed us the door by pointing bones, spotted finger it, it was it, it was about 9 seconds of fame.

However There was hardly any African American character in the cartoons – Ebony in The Spirit – however many individuals opposed his appearance and speech. In Harvey, we had a bit boy named Tiny in one guide and he was well-liked. Sid additionally contained individuals of shade in a couple of scripts. So the Black Cartoon was the beginning of how African People weren’t included in cartoons. Since then, issues have modified for the higher. I don't assume it issues now. But we are very pleased with that e-book. It was a pleasant, fun kick for the business.

1970s Comics

If the info on the Internet is right, you have been working with Larry Lieber's brief term rival DC / Marvel, the Atlas / Seaboard cartoon collection in the mid-1970s.

The memory of Atlas is a bit hazy. However I do know I met Marv Wolfman here, who was later in my room campaign for DC Comics once I was there as a reporter. I also worked with Jeff Rovin at Atlas. He was the editor of 19 or 20 – Wunderkind, undoubtedly. He was sharp and really educated. Didn't get caught in his present moment. A true time traveler when it came to appreciating the value of earlier craftsmanship and artistry in film, music and other arts. We had a star group on Atlas, including Howie Chaykin, Neal Adams, Steve Ditko and so forth. I additionally draw some numbers from Airboy [for Eclipse].


What do you consider working for Warren Publishing in the late 60s and early 1970s?

Warren was a wierd place to work. You didn't know what happened week after week. On the other hand, with Warren, the course of of making a guide was a bit extra thrilling since you have been inspired to experiment. I did numerous work for Warren, which was time consuming and much easier if computers have been out there. Nevertheless it was enjoyable making an attempt new things. Reporters typically let me write your personal tales, they usually gave me numerous freedom with my drawings. In Harvey, issues have been somewhat totally different. The office was extra intently organized. However typically I might have enjoyable with the story whereas I was working for Harvey Comics. At the similar time, stories typically turned commonplace.

From the unique "Creepy # 26" meeting (April 1969). The manuscript was written by Bill Parente.

I once tried an experiment the place I drew 23 pages in 24 hours. I just received up to go to the toilet. I set a report for myself. In that case, velocity was more essential than anything. By then, the characters had turn into so ingrained that writing a page and making it was not that troublesome. But I never did so many pages a day once more.

Was it bothering you to work at comparatively child-friendly books after working at child-friendly Harvey?

I really like violence – as long as it’s an integral part of the story and brings an ethical facet. The collaboration with Jim [Warren] was great. Like I stated, he allowed us to attempt to write our personal stories. He was a real character himself. Good man.

How did having a comic book ebook workplace have an effect on your social life?

I've by no means recognized so many cartoonists. I've definitely by no means been to many meetings – I was solely 4, and considered one of them was lower than an hour. Unfortunately i misplaced communication with individuals over the years, comparable to Howie Submit, which I want to see you once more. Thankfully, I was by no means bothered about being in cartoons. At the celebration, I launched a lawyer, a dentist, a lawyer, a dentist. When it was my turn to introduce, individuals all the time made purchases. Even in the present day individuals need to ask me about my job. I am typically asked if I’ve drawn something they might have seen. Once I tell them, I am drawn by Harvey characters similar to Casper and Richie Rich, they grow to be excited. Many individuals have a robust connection to those characters. So being a cartoonist was by no means one thing I felt shy or confused about.

My family has by no means made me feel embarrassed to work in cartoons, however none of them have an interest in cartoons, only throughout my career. I’ve been married for a few years and my spouse and I have three daughters. I also have eight sisters. My daughter Luisa is an actress. She is at present the lead in Day Night time, Day Night time, which has acquired great evaluations. Amanda works with autistic and disturbed youngsters and in some ways has maintained an excellent humorousness and optimism. He’s a family saint. Becky is in high school and writes and paints with talents a lot better than mine.

Did you all the time really feel proud to be a cartoonist?

I have all the time divided the Will Eisner consider that comics could possibly be one thing more. I felt this very strongly from the first few years of business. For my part, the only people who tried to do cartoons have been DC and Marvel staff who referred to what I did with "Richie Rich" and "Casper" in "big-legged" drawing. It will hate me. One way or the other I assumed what we did was a cartoon.

I only met Will Eisner a couple of occasions, however I keep in mind considering that comics could possibly be far more than just superhero cartoons. As I was growing up, there have been all types of cartoons, from Westerns and romances to youngsters's cartoons. I apologize for the undeniable fact that the superhero turned the essential character in cartoons, and I in all probability made the mistake of telling individuals how I felt in DC and Marvel.

works for the huge two

What did you’re employed for first, Marvel or DC?

I first went to Marvel. I wrote a letter to Jim Shooter in which I drew Casper on his knees as an invite to save lots of. He responded instantly and gave me John Carter of Mars to work with. I take pleasure in Marvel's workplace surroundings – I especially beloved Marie Severin. Jim Shooter was very good to me. I had a bit of hassle with a couple of writers, however otherwise it was an amazing experience.


I later did some work for Jim Shooter's Valiant. Working with Magnus, Robot Fighter was an amazing experience. I draw her on Canson paper with pen and ink, then paint with Prisma and acrylic. Jim Shooter was completely happy to work. He used every panel – "He must be in mortal danger at every step!", He warned. He put himself in a choked position in his workplace able to remove the subsequent idiot to encourage him to dare to face him.

In fact I knew Jim from Marvel when he was a prime man there. Then he formed the new universe. It was an excellent concept, and if given the work and dedication it deserved, it might have been the focus of the Marvel canon. As an alternative, his ideas have been picked up and scattered by knights and complainers who had no creativeness to see alternatives to develop them.

It was not straightforward to modify from youngsters's cartoons to superhero cartoons, at the very least not at first. It was a matter of loads of sweat and a variety of dangerous drawings. It took work. But after some time I obtained used to the expectations of massive corporations.

Once I take into consideration working with DC, I can consider three particular factors. One was an amethyst, the other was The Medusa Chain, a graphic novel [published in 1984] that bought little to no copies, and the other participated in Underworld, written by a man named Robert Fleming. He was a young man who I discovered to be an enormous promise as a writer. He was not welcomed to DC. Many people tried to demean him and sabotage his career. They might do terrible things just to giggle, and unfortunately Robert Fleming obtained their wickedness.

Amethyst, Princess Gemworld # 7.

I additionally labored as a journalist in DC in the mid-1980s – precisely one yr, two weeks and three days. The additional two weeks have been in order that they might discover someone to finish my task. Jenette Kahn had originally employed me and we agreed to attempt things for a yr. In DC, I used to be chargeable for Green Lantern, Flash, Marvel Lady, Blackhawk, and there may need been one other title. For some time, I was also chargeable for the younger artists who sent the briefcases. It was the first and solely time I labored full time in a corporate surroundings. Pidin aluksi työstä, mutta vähitellen olin innostunut. Yhtäältä työmäärä ei ollut kohtuullinen. Se oli aivan liikaa.

Kuten missä tahansa toimistossa, mukana oli jonkinlaista politiikkaa, ja näin asioita, joista en pitänyt. Oli ihmisiä, jotka tekivät asioita, jotka eivät mielestäni ole sopivia. Minulla oli pari sisäänkirjautumista esimerkiksi Len Weinin kanssa, joka ohitti toimitukselliset päätökseni. Hän vaatii, että hänellä on mahdollisuus tehdä niin. Hän tekisi niin kuulematta minua ollenkaan. Hänellä ei olisi edes kohteliaisuutta kysyä minulta mitä ajattelin. Äärimmäinen esimerkki tästä: Olin puhunut Alex Tothin tekevän Inexperienced Lantern -tarinan. Hän teki kaunista työtä. Tarina meni tuotantoosastolle, ja sain selville – tosiasian jälkeen – että Len Wein oli ottanut tarinat saksiin niin, että jatkuvuus oli mieluummin. Tässä on ongelma. Se on yhdistelmämurtuma. Ensinnäkin, hän ei pyytänyt minua, ja olin kirjan toimittaja. Toinen numero, hän ei pyytänyt taiteilijan lupaa – tunnettua kurkkua, puhumattakaan yhdestä sarjakuvan historian hienoimmista taiteilijoista. Luulisi, että hänellä olisi tarpeeksi kunnioitusta, tarpeeksi kunnioitusta ja ihailua niin soittaakseen taiteilijalle suoraan. Tämä on sellainen asia, jonka päälleni. Se häiritsi minua paljon. En välittänyt siitä hoidosta.

Samanaikaisesti minulla ei ollut mitään ongelmia Jenette Kahnin kanssa. Pidin hänestä ja hän piti minusta. Ylätason ihmisillä ei ollut ongelmia; se oli minun tasollani ihmisiä. Tulin hyvin toimeen esimerkiksi Karen Bergerin ja Marv Wolfmanin kanssa. Sen jälkeen kun lähdin DC: stä, minulla oli hyvin vähän yhteyksiä yritykseen. Tein yhden tai kaksi työtä heille sen jälkeen kun lähdin toimitukselta, mutta ei niin paljon. Se oli ehdottomasti avioero. Meidät molemmat olivat yhtä innostuneita eroon toisistamme.

Kun aloin työskennellä Marvelissa freelance-pohjalta, pidin melko itsestäni ja en ollut vuorovaikutuksessa niin monien ihmisten kanssa kuin DC: ssä. Mutta en toiminut kummassakaan yrityksessä niin kauan kuin työskentelin Harvey Comics -yrityksessä. My last work for Marvel was fairly a number of years in the past. I worked on Marvel’s short-lived “Star” line, which was a poorly handled effort to sell Marvel comedian books to younger youngsters. It was an awesome opportunity wasted on rip-off characters and poor scripts. Like I stated, the fanboys who later turned editors referred to as youngsters’ books “bigfoot.” That is an ignorant misnomer coined by those that misapprehend the range and plasticity of comics, which is something they take without any consideration in the film enterprise.

Have been you involved in the effort to push Time Warner to compensate Siegel and Shuster for their work on Superman?

Not likely. The guy who was the torchbearer on that was Neal Adams. He did a powerful job in leading the cost. At the similar time, I can say that Siegel and Shuster did promote the character in good faith. In some methods, they did not have a case. However it’s a sophisticated state of affairs. It’s a little like if somebody sells you a stamp for a greenback, after which it seems to be value tens of millions. If the unique seller is broke and ravenous on the streets, it appears a bit inhuman to not give them slightly money out of the income you’ve made. However in fact firms are usually not individuals, and they don’t seem to be motivated by something but money. Neal Adams and folks have been capable of increase sufficient noise that the firm just about needed to reply.

Have been you involved about the challenge of returning unique art to the artists once you have been working for corporations like Harvey, Warren and Marvel?

No, as a result of it was the norm. Everyone was dwelling beneath the similar sorts of rules. It by no means occurred to me that I ought to be totally different. It was only when it turned a hue-and-cry that I joined in, and stated, “That’s what I want, too.” Not that it did me any good, as a result of I principally gave away each web page I ever drew. For two causes: There were plenty of youngsters who beloved comics, and I loved making a gift of pages to fans. The other cause is that if you’ve been in the enterprise as long as I’ve, you’re more likely to have drawn hundreds of pages. It is arduous to keep monitor of that many pages, and it’s also onerous to retailer them. Over the years I’ve moved around a couple of occasions, and the concept of schlepping piles of unique paintings strikes me as considerably daunting. I’ve additionally thrown out a couple of pages that I didn’t like. If I don’t like how a page comes out, I might moderately throw it out.

There was one title that I worked on — Richie Wealthy — the place I by no means noticed an unique web page of art again. None of the artists acquired a single web page from that title, despite the fact that that they had been promised to us. They have been taken from Harvey’s storage facility, and people pages show up now and again on eBay and places like that. In any other case, I did receive a lot of my Harvey paintings, together with pages from Casper, Wendy and Little Dot.


Who got here up with the concept of turning an official government document, the Remaining Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, right into a graphic novel?

I did. I purchased the report when it first came out, like about one million and a half other individuals, but I couldn’t get past Web page 50. I couldn’t hold monitor of the names. And I assumed this must be clearer. I referred to as Sid, and stated wouldn’t it’s great to show this into an prolonged comic ebook? And immediately, he stated sure. He additionally raised funds to help our work from a producer named Roger Burlage, who’s in the movie enterprise. Burlage immediately put up the money — it solely took a couple of days. I have never been involved with a challenge that moved as shortly from the concept stage to the implementation stage.

Some reviewers have steered that our e-book was the first of its sort, which is certainly not the case. Instructional and nonfictional comics are part of the historical past of the medium. It was an fascinating e-book to work on, and I am delighted that it has discovered an audience, nevertheless it was not particularly groundbreaking in terms of what comics can do. It’s a fluid and plastic medium that can be used to tell many various kinds of stories, including true stories.

Fortuitously, publishing the guide was straightforward. The first writer we submitted the manuscript to — Farrar, Strauss, and Giroux — accepted the guide instantly. FSG have been incredible. The editor we worked with — Thomas LaBien — saw the value of our venture instantly. FSG also sent the ebook to Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, who in fact chaired the Fee and wrote the introduction. Their contribution helped make the undertaking a reliable enterprise.

Have been there any photographs — specific faces for instance — that have been notably troublesome to draw?

A few of the faces have been simpler to capture than others. Michael Chertoff lends himself to caricature. Dick Cheney additionally has a simple face to draw. However with Cheney, you need to be careful. You need a likeness, not a political statement. Cheney has a natural type to his mouth that appears like a sneer. I tried to keep away from the sneer; I didn’t need him to seem like a villain. I tried to make every thing look as neutral as attainable.

What about portraying individuals from the Center East?

That’s troublesome. Individuals have robust views about how totally different groups are portrayed in comics. And some individuals have criticized how we portrayed Arabs in the 9/11 ebook. On the other hand, I’ve spent a whole lot of time researching this matter, and I’ve checked out lots of or hundreds of pictures. A Pashtun Arab has a beard and a robe. That’s only a given. I have tried to keep away from stereotypes, but some cultures have strict rules about things like facial hair and garments. It’s arduous to respect these guidelines with out being accused of recycling stereotypes.

One in every of the putting issues about your 9/11 pages is how various they are: You shift from high-level conferences to maps to Center Japanese road scenes.

Part of the challenge is giving selection to the reader’s eye. Going from one speaking head to a different can get just a little boring. It’s all the time a question of finding the right stability. If you find yourself creating a graphic depiction of a real-world occasion, you might have a balancing act. It’s a must to make the picture work on the page, however you additionally should be true to the historical document.

From The 9/11 Report: A Graphic Adaptation.

Are you and Sid Jacobson working on something at the second?

We now have several tasks lined up with FSG. The one we’re working on proper now known as America’s Warfare on Terror. It addresses the aftermath of 9/11, beginning with 9/12 to the present day. I’m about halfway by way of that undertaking, and there are tasks ready in the wings. When it comes to the Struggle on Terror e-book, we aren’t in providing editorial opinions, however in displaying the reader what has and hasn’t been completed since the towers fell.

Let me put it this manner. I had this previous girlfriend who stated I used to be a superb talker however didn’t do as well as I speak. The same factor holds in this case. The present administration talks a superb recreation, however they don’t do shit. With regards to the struggle on terror, we don’t should drum our opinions into our readers’ heads. All we have now to do is present what the administration has carried out, fairly than rely on what they’ve stated or what has been stated about them. In fact, we didn’t editorialize for the 9/11 ebook both, though we did should determine what to go away in and what to keep out. This guide is pretty much the similar sort of venture, fact-based but with a robust visual factor. To make sure that the faces, buildings and cities look right. So I have been Googling every thing, as I had to for the different ebook.

From The 9/11 Report.

Have been you stunned by the attention that the guide has acquired?

We knew the challenge was worthwhile, however we had no concept it will create the stir that it has. Over the previous yr or so, Sid and I have taken half in a whole lot of interviews. There was one afternoon once I had two digital camera crews in my house at the similar time, one from Japan and the different from Germany. I don’t exactly have an enormous house! We each appeared on Fox, who have been the nicest individuals, very caring and really skilled. Our first TV look was The In the present day Show on NBC. They came with cameras, lights, technicians and a producer. It took them hours to set up — cables in all places. Then this guy David Gregory flew all the approach from Washington and did an excellent job. The modifying was first-rate. When Gregory started placing on make-up for the interview, I turned to Sid and stated, “Who knew?” Sid just lately put that phrase on his license plate.

The ebook appears to be doing fairly properly. We’ve got acquired plenty of letters — perhaps one or two detractors, but a ton of supportive letters. We haven’t had any nuts come out of the woodwork. We've acquired invites to speak all over the nation, as well as overseas, but I have just lately started to turn these invites down as a result of I wasn’t getting any work accomplished.

The ebook has been translated into most European languages and is now being translated into Japanese. It’s grow to be a world venture. The checks I’ve been getting just lately are overseas sales rights. Thanks, Jesus! It’s a 50-50 arrangement with Sid. The success of our ebook hits a sweet spot for me.

Have you ever paid consideration to the various or conspiracy theories about 9/11?

No. I don't pay any attention to varied claims about alleged authorities involvement in the attacks on Washington, DC and New York City. Typically I'll come across one thing on the internet that refers to the Commission’s report as a cover-up or what have you ever, but I don’t take any of it critically.

You weren’t paid by the CIA to write down this guide? [Laughter.] Might you say something about how your collaboration with Sid works on a day-to-day foundation?

He sends me a script. Typically he calls me, we speak over the script, the format and so on. It’s all carried out forwards and backwards by telephone and e mail. When I’ve finished 10 or 20 pages I ship them to him. He seems to be them over. Typically he suggests revisions; something to do with the text, maybe, or the association of a specific panel. It’s often straightforward to repair as a result of I’m working from a pc. And at the similar time, I will typically supply him comments on his scripts. I’d recommend a minor change here or there, just as he may recommend a small change in the illustrations.

Frankly, we are like an previous married couple. We finish one another’s sentences. And we by no means argue. It’s superb. We get along very nicely, each artistically and personally. I think about him not solely an excellent author but a prolific one. His writing is of a really top quality, and he can actually crank it out.


Are you able to say something about your work strategies in the days before computer systems?

I was introduced up on the very conventional instruments of the commerce — 2B pencils, No. 2 Sable brushes, art tone or Higgins India ink, and two- or three-ply Bristol boards. That type of factor. I deserted the conventional instruments many years in the past. I now draw with a ballpoint pen — the cheaper the better. I can enhance the line on the pc, utilizing a Wacom tablet. I letter on the pc, colour on the pc, and design my pages on it. I don’t use regular-sized pages anymore. I draw on bond paper. I don’t use Bristol board anymore. I scan the drawings into the pc after which design the pages. The scanned drawing is in black-and-white and is more or less complete. I often create between 5 and 10 pages of unfastened drawings before I scan them into the pc.

I actually like pc work. I’ve been doing it for greater than 20 years. The only factor is that working at a computer could be tiring. I have to take a seat for 10-12 hours a day. That’s all the time been troublesome, then and now. But that’s the job.

Is there a sport that you’re notably into?

Not likely. I wish to stroll and to work out. I used to do karate. It was enjoyable. I used to play chess, however I ended. I don’t like blood sports activities, and chess is certainly a blood sport.

Have been you initially immune to the concept of using computers in your work?

No, I used to be one in every of the first to see their potential. Once I was working at DC I might write memos to Paul Levitz, telling him that each editor should have a pc on their desks. He stored saying no, and he finally asked me to stop pestering him about it. Two or three years later, in fact, every editor was working on a pc.

From "The Dark Might Returns" in Mighty Mouse Vol. I #1, written by Michael Gallagher.

Because it happens, I did an entire Mighty Mouse guide on a bit of Macintosh. I began out on a Mac, then I switched to the Amiga, after which switched to the PC. The Amiga was an incredible little pc in its day. However the company’s management was awful, so the firm never went anyplace. Lots of the special results on Babylon 5 have been carried out on Amiga computer systems. For a while, I had an Atari, however that was a terrible pc.

Which software program do you want to use?

Photoshop all the time. Typically I exploit Flash so that I can do vector drawings because I don’t like Illustrator in any respect. Photoshop and Flash are my mainstays. Once in a while I play around with animation packages.


Are you able to say one thing about your largest influences? And are there modern cartoonists whose work you especially admire?

The primary influences on my work are the ordinary gang of suspects — Milton Caniff, in fact, and Noel Sickles, who created the entire movie noir look of Terry and the Pirates. Additionally, Will Eisner, absolutely. The comics grasp, as I’ve mentioned, was Warren Kramer. As far as fantastic artists are involved, the one who goes straight to my heart is Toulouse-Lautrec, who was an excellent cartoonist. Michelangelo was a superb cartoonist, as nicely. I like Picasso’s sketches and drawings. Not his work — they’re absolute crap. However his sketches, including the pornographic ones, are very humorous and really properly executed.

As far as modern cartoonists are concerned, I’ve pretty much mentioned Persepolis in every single interview I have carried out thus far. What Marjane Satrapi has executed is completely sensational. There is a difference between technical capacity and the capability to inform a narrative. What I like Satrapi for is her storytelling capability. I like people who can draw you right into a story, make you pay attention, make you read. I additionally admire Joe Sacco’s work. I assumed Epileptic by the French cartoonist David B was an exquisite ebook dealing with a critical and interesting topic. I assumed it was just superb. The best way he illustrates nightmares is especially impressive. I assumed that Maus was certainly one of the most audacious comics I have ever seen. Unfortunately, I assumed In The Shadow of No Towers was overblown, overproduced and made no sense at all. The juxtaposition of previous comics and new comics eluded me utterly.

Strange to say, I by no means stored up with comics to begin with. Fascinating factor to say for someone who's made a dwelling from comics. I sometimes learn graphic novels, notably these which might be well-reviewed or that buddies advocate, but I not often learn common comics. I once informed a fan of mine that I didn’t also have a copy of the Amethyst collection, and he was variety sufficient to ship me an entire set. Wanting over these pages was satisfying. Yet for me, it’s all the time a question of what is occurring now and tomorrow.

Have you left fantasy behind?

Under no circumstances. If a superb fantasy undertaking comes along I might be comfortable to become involved. I like doing plenty of various things. After doing Wendy and Richie and Casper for 25 years, I needed to shake it up for myself. I like to move from type to fashion. Proper now I’m working with Flash animation, and I want to see an entire e-book executed in Flash. You can put it on the net, publish it and stick it on an iPod.